Each element is a brain storming prompt for am i thinking about the total design of this conversation, people involved? What are the power dynamics? What's the invitation that initiates it? Turn taking and cadence. When we say the user into the room, even if they're not in the room, right? Are we doing participatory design? Or are we doing a telephone tag design? Right? And so been. I suppose i could have made a, i like aaron did, go from nine elements to 12 elements when he finally wrote his book. But there comes a point where it becomes too many to keep in mind. It can be one person, it can be many

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