Can I shift gears? Yeah. I don't even ask. But I should just do it.

I'm just going to shift gears when I want to from now on. Okay. Okay. Take me on a ride, Adam.

I'll take you on a ride. Do you feel like you're a role model? Do

I feel like I'm a role model? Yeah. Do you think people look up to you? They should. I'm pretty great. Okay.

Oh, it's funny.

It's weird to think of it in that terms because one, it feels like I'm embarrassing to think of yourself in that way. Yeah. Like I think there's resistance to doing that. But I think, yeah, I think you reach a certain point in your life where I can remember when I was where I was 10 years ago and like the type of people I was like looking at and was like, I would love to be more like them one day or like to have a similar life. Yeah. And those people kind of look like where I am today. So I think I'm sure this is happening to some degree.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you, I guess when you are a role model, do you know it? Do you get like, did people tell you like I look up to you? I didn't tell anybody I looked up to, I guess. I

do get some messages, not super frequently, but I can say that there have been some. I'm sure you get them too. I feel like you're more of that than I am because you're like more established in your life.

But you must get them. What? Yeah. Like you had a more established in my life. I'm older.

You just made them older. I feel like you're at a phase in your life where you're like, okay, like I figured out like I have kids.

They're not like tiny kids. I have great at my beard. Yeah.

Like you have like a family home that you're probably going to live in for a very long time. You know, you know, it's true. Okay. Yeah. It's like transient phase. So I can see how for a lot of people, I mean, even for myself, like I kind of look at your situation. I'm like, oh, that's, that's like

where I want to be at some point. Okay. I'm putting it in my Twitter bio. Yeah. I'm

putting it more established than Dax. More more roots.

More roots. More rooted. More grounded. I'll put grounded on LinkedIn. That sounds like that would go well on LinkedIn. So how do you feel about the role model thing? Well, it's somebody said something to us, right? Oh, yeah. About how like maybe maybe we could be a role model to younger men, specifically younger men. And I hadn't thought of it. Just hadn't thought of like younger men looking up to me or you about anything. Yeah. But it's interesting because I'm in an age, it just made me realize how much I deny that I'm getting older. Like I'm almost 40. Of course, like I'm at the age where I should start thinking about the influence I have on people younger than me. I should, right? If if about now then when like I feel like that's the age on 37.

You're not like, you're not too old to be out of touch. It's like a nice window.

Yeah, because yeah, once you're 65, it's like, I don't know, you lose some of that. Like it's a different kind of wisdom you have at that point. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I've never thought of myself. I think like I'm just frozen at 22 or whatever when I became an adult. Like I just feel like I'm that age and I will perpetually like I just see everybody. Yeah. I still feel a good younger.

I feel like a kid. I'm just like, I'm a kid. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Like eight years old or like. No, no, like I feel like like when I hear the fact that I'm technically a man, I'm just like, holy shit, like a man. I'm like a man walking around. No, no, no. The people I see around me, those like those are men walking around. I'm just like,

yeah, I'm just like a boy, you know. Yeah. No, I hear you. Yeah. Just like being an adult is kind of surprising sometimes if you really think about it. And you only noticed that when I think I've

told a story before, but I remember getting to an elevator and there was like, there's a woman and a little kid. And the woman was like, say hi to the man. And I was

like, man, what the what man?

Oh, me? I'm the man. Is a man

here with us? Yeah.

So, but I was like, this is go away when you have kids because how can you feel like a kid when you have kids, but you're saying you still kind of feel like a child. Oh, you still can. Yeah.

No, for sure. Like it's very hard to imagine. I'm trying to think like how much older my dad is than me. Like my memories of my dad or when he was like my age, a younger,

younger, that's wild for me. Yeah,

it's so weird. Oh, I don't like that one bit. Why don't I like that?

What is it about that? I don't like when my dad was my age. I think I was like, six or seven already. I don't even have kids yet. Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah. My mom was even crazier. I think I was like 10 by now for her. Is this just feelings of mortality? Is that what I'm feeling? Like, I don't like to think about being older because it's like a reminder that. Yeah. I think the thing that really messes with me is when I realize my dad is only like 25 years older than me. And my mom is only like 22 years older than me, which is really, really weird because you're like, at least in America, I think that's not at least the people I've been around, their parents have been a lot older. Yeah. And it's weird to think when my parents die, I'm going to die in 20 years. Oh, wow. That seems like really short, you know.

That's wild. Yeah. Yeah. No, I guess like my parents are probably a little bit older than I think they're like 30 years older than me. Yeah. My wife's dad is 40 years older than me. He's a lot older. Yeah. He's like a lot older than her.

So it's very different.

Yeah, exactly. 20 years. Yeah. Wow. That's not, I don't like

any of this. I decided I don't like this conversation. We got those things. Let's go back to the role model one.

Oh, yeah. Role model. Yeah. So I guess people probably do look up to us. And I know even I've gotten those messages, the kind of messages that are like, oh, I was thinking about doing this. And I decided to go for it and that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't, I feel like I should be doing something different if people are looking up to me than what I'm currently doing. Do you ever feel like that? Like if you start thinking about younger people wanting to look like us,

does it make you want to look different? Because it makes me want to look different. I think we're a little bit different in that my whole life, I've just been very used to telling other people, here's how you should be.

You're not sure. You're not sure. I'm not sure. You're constantly throwing it out there. So I make

sense. I always try to make everyone more like myself. So it's a little bit more natural for me. I think you love yourself. You love money and you love yourself. I love money. I like myself. Yeah. Yeah. You're simple, man. It's a whole philosophy too. If you like it, follow me. I'm your role model. If you love money and you want to love yourself, you'd like to sign up that? I feel like how to live.

Do you like Huberman and cold water? Follow me. No, follow Huberman. I guess yeah. Follow Huberman. Yeah. Good point. I have no original thoughts. I am just a puppet and I only am a puppet for so long before I switch to something else. And then I'm a puppet with that thing.

Well, to anyone listening, if that sounds good to you, if being a puppet sounds good to you, follow out. Yeah. There you go.

I'm your guy. I'm an adult man and I have lots of things to look up to. Probably. All right. Enough of the role model stuff. I don't know where I was planning on that going, but it went into mortality. You had one other thing. No, Dewey.

I heard a couple other things I think.

I think you mentioned something to me. Oh, I want to talk about, what was it? You had a tweet that made me think of this. Oh, the career thing. The career

thing. This is great because

we're just talking about role models. Oh, yeah. We're talking about, yeah. Role models, career advice. Look at that. That was so smooth. If you're really interested in having a podcast someday with smooth transitions, look up to me.

Pretty good at this stuff. Well, look away.

Or yeah, probably. So you had a tweet. Could you remind me exactly what the tweet said? Something about like, if you had followed all these dummies on Twitter. Yeah.

I love my career. Like, I like where it is. I like the opportunities that I have that I'm not taking advantage of. Like, I'm excited to like see what I could do. I love what I'm doing right now. I think my day to day is super unique. I think it's like not what most people get to do. I get to like do fun stuff like this podcast, like making super videos, like having fun on Twitter. And it's like part of my job. All my work is public. I can kind of talk about it. I can interact with, you know, people like, like the large number of developers. I have like a pretty good way to talk to anyone legit in our field doing something interesting. Like I'm able to like, you know, my work tends to overlap with theirs. And like when your

wife has friends over,

you get to explain how your awesome office is set up like this because your awesome job, right? That's a perk. So I keep going. Well, my wife's friends think have no idea what the hell I do. I think it's really weird. But yeah, it is weird, but it's great. And it's, and I would have never predicted it. And I couldn't have drawn like a direct step by step plan to getting here. Yeah. But I know for sure that every step of my life, and you know, times change and what people say change. But when I think back to what people were saying when I was earlier in my career, I very much did not do any of that. Like I remember people telling me that I was doing the wrong thing or like I should care about these other things. And I didn't and it worked out. I'm sure like whatever their advice was, like there's a flavor of that working out too, but it wouldn't have been this. It wouldn't have been where I got to now. Yeah. And I think where I got to now is a lot more unique than where you could get to otherwise. So yeah, it's like the advice could be good, but if I followed it, I wouldn't have this. So it's like this weird like kind of paradox thing. So I've

had similar experiences in life. Like I've not had a normal job in terms of, I've never applied for a job, never had a resume. That whole thing, we've talked about that. And I love my career. I love everything it's meant for my family. I love all of it. It's all fantastic. My question to you is like, does that work for everybody? Do we need like a large swath of people that are just doing the normal thing? Is that like inherent in society that only some of us can have this very unique, weird path, but like everybody can't have it? Yeah.

What are your thoughts? Yeah, I think it's, I think you have to be honest with yourself because there kind of is like an objective cultural thing where when we describe this having your own path thing, it's automatically placed as like, oh yeah, that sounds amazing and I should do that too. But you have to know yourself. Like not everyone really wants that culturally. It's set up in a way where it feels everyone should want that, but not everyone does want that. On the flip side though, I think there is this other dynamic going on where the normal path to me has gotten like less and less attractive. And like maybe even like more chaotic. And it's also never been easier to have a weirder path. So I still think it's like, yes, a small, it's really like a minority of people that get to do the weirder path thing. But I also like, if I look around, I just like, I see so much more of that than I ever have. I saw a post the other day, someone was like, the internet has made like so many of these types of business as possible. And it's like it's a screenshot of Reddit being like, I forgot what he was like, I don't know what the number was, but it was something like, I make $20,000 a month by making these mini cinder blocks and selling them online. He just makes these like miniature cinder blocks. And that's just his job and his career. Like no, there's no path for that. It's like no ways to go. Yeah, like this completely made up job that this person completely invented. And I think there's way more ability to do that now than ever. I think there's a lot of pressure to like maybe do that, given how like commoditized like normal jobs have become. Yeah. But yeah, I agree, like it's not for everyone. And I would say the average person probably won't succeed doing that.

Oh yeah. Yeah. It's like, how do you, you can't sell advice to the like chart your own path people? Because there's really no, is there any advice that could have helped either of us get to where we are in our career? Like maybe the life advice, just general like, I

don't know, eat

your veggies, get a lot of sleep, whatever. But like there's no path, there's no way I could have charted where my career, the twists and turns, what worked, what didn't. There's no way I could have read a tweet that would have been like, ah, that's what I'm doing. I'm going to do that. I'm going to

take those steps.

I think for me, the

most that could have happened, and maybe this is kind of what did happen was there were enough people that had made it through that. Not this, I don't care about specific details of what they did, but like, they had a similar mindset and they were kind of rejecting the same things. And they like made it through. And seeing that, like knowing that people think the same way and ended up successful, like that's kind of what you need because everyone else around you is kind of telling you the opposite. Like I'm not bold enough to go do something where like, there's zero signal that can work. Yeah. So seeing the people where it did work out for them, like that's that like keeps you in the game, I think. Because there's a lot of doubt on the weir path. Like some days you wake up and you feel great, other days you're like, oh, I just like burned my 20s because this was the completely the wrong thing to focus on. Yeah. Yeah, just motivation, I think whatever people can do to keep me motivated, this is all going to be worth it. It's probably the

most that you can do.