i've been talking to ucranians for this show, and they have all effectively said some version of the same thing. One gentleman said he was not going to consider the possibility that russian troops would make it to where he lives. There's basely not a family in ukraine which hasn't been touched. It's a common national rience, 20 semphiteting. People in the west don't really grasp that. You know, you can't make people love russia by invading them from russia over and over again. Whatever putton does, and whatever the military outcome is, there will be a ucrane in some way that's not going to
Vladimir Putin says Ukraine isn’t a country. He’s wrong.
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