For a long time Brian knew he wanted to do research or go into science. He always had this dream it was not very reachable and so I thought well some other lifetime maybe I'll be born at exactly the right time in the right place. But then 10 years ago after being originally in Santa Fe  I realized oh my god I have been in Goethean or the Cavendish when these deep changes were entering the social sciences and economics. Not only was I there but I was one of the conspirators who caused all that. So I feel I've been extremely lucky being in Santa Fe at the right time.

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