I see the degree to which populist partisan movements are gathering strength around North America and Western Europe. And it's easy to say, well, this will continue and it'll really challenge in my mind that there is a viable of liberal democracy. Do you think that you're rereading your book from the 1970s should make me skeptical of that fear or that instinct? No, I don't want to be a sort of a politicalist. Obviously, we have to project based on the current trends and what seems to us to be like salient features which would carry on into the future. So it's not all wrong. It is just, I think, that we have to be a little bit