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The Don't-Call-It-A-Muslim-Ban

Explain It to Me

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Mattis and Kelly - I'm in This Now, Buddy.

Matt Welch: It looked to me like that was a moment where they were asserting dominance over Mattis. And meanwhile, the Secretary of Homeland Security was apparently on a briefing call about the order when he saw on television President Trump signing it. He says there are opportunities for low-level opportunistic, both benevolence and cruelty when you don't have policy coming down from the top in a way that's being clearly defined. Welch: John Kelly is a man who has a lot of respect on Capitol Hill, whose confirmation sailed through very easily. But does he want to be the front man for an agency that he's not really running?

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