Communication is a physical process. It’s common sense that sending and receiving intelligible messages takes work…but how much work? The question of the relationship between energy, information, and matter is one of the deepest known to science. There appear to be limits to the rate at which communication between two systems can happen…but the search for a fundamental relationship between speed, error, and energy (among other things) promises insights far deeper than merely whether we can keep making faster internet devices. Strap in (and consider slowing down) for a broad and deep discussion on the bounds within which our entire universe must play…

Welcome to COMPLEXITY, the official podcast of the Santa Fe Institute. I’m your host, Michael Garfield, and every other week we’ll bring you with us for far-ranging conversations with our worldwide network of rigorous researchers developing new frameworks to explain the deepest mysteries of the universe.

This week we speak with SFI Professor David Wolpert and MIT Physics PhD student Farita Tasnim, who have worked together over the last year on pioneering research into the nonlinear dynamics of communication channels. In this episode, we explore the history and ongoing evolution of information theory and coding theory, what the field of stochastic thermodynamics has to do with limits to human knowledge, and the role of noise in collective intelligence.

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Referenced in this episode:

Nonlinear thermodynamics of communication channels
by Farita Tasnim and David Wolpert (forthcoming at arXiv.org)

Heterogeneity and Efficiency in the Brain
by Vijay Balasubramanian

Noisy Deductive Reasoning: How Humans Construct Math, and How Math Constructs Universes
by David Wolpert & David Kinney

Stochastic Mathematical Systems
by David Wolpert & David Kinney

Twenty-five years of nanoscale thermodynamics
by Chase P. Broedersz & Pierre Ronceray

Ten Questions about The Hard Limits of Human Intelligence
by David Wolpert

What can we know about that which we cannot even imagine?
by David Wolpert

Communication consumes 35 times more energy than computation in the human cortex, but both costs are needed to predict synapse number
by William Levy & Victoria Calvert

An exchange of letters on the role of noise in collective intelligence
by Daniel Kahneman, David Krakauer, Olivier Sibony, Cass Sunstein, David Wolpert

When Slower Is Faster
by Carlos Gershenson & Dirk Helbing
Additional Resources:

The stochastic thermodynamics of computation
by David Wolpert

Elements of Information Theory, Second Edition (textbook)
by Thomas Cover & Joy Thomas

Computational Complexity: A Modern Approach (textbook)
by Sanjeev Arora & Boaz Barak

An Introduction to Kolmogorov Complexity and Its Applications (textbook)
by Ming Li & Paul Vitányi

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