"This is a great test for the how being as necessary as the what of politics," he says. "I imagine we're going to be, you know, on different potentially different sides of this that it's probably helpful to start with a like, what's our story? What's our story with guns in particular?" He adds: "What at least one way to moderate the us versus them instinct that is so strong is to actually understand the human story ... We may not end up completely polar opposites."

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