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358: Out of Airspeed... And Ideas. With Airforce Fighter Pilot and Hanoi POW, Col. Lee Ellis.

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Resilience in Captivity

This chapter recounts the harrowing experiences of a pilot captured during the Vietnam War, focusing on the duality of suffering and unexpected compassion. It details the psychological and physical torment endured in notorious prison conditions, showcasing camaraderie among fellow prisoners. Additionally, it explores the complexities of leadership and moral dilemmas faced in captivity, emphasizing the human spirit's resilience even amid dire circumstances.

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