The Importance of Failure in Songwriting

I love this because we wrote, we wrote four versions. And she is, her melodies are such a good, like, folk driven for some of the things that she does. I found myself falling in love with storytelling in songwriting specifically as Julia Michaels. We just ended up hanging out the entire time. It was three hours a time. But she's writing the whole time. In her head, she's brilliant. So we ended up getting this kind of storytelling thing out.