Imrich "Imo" Bábics is Chief Growth and CMO at Relai, the Swiss Bitcoin-only app that's become Europe's fastest-growing fintech with over 500K downloads and $1 billion in trading volume.
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🕑 TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Introduction to Immo Babic and Relay
00:53 - Immo's Journey into Bitcoin and Crypto
03:45 - The Evolution of Bitcoin's Perception
08:02 - Understanding Bitcoin vs. Crypto Gambling
10:58 - The Role of Education in Bitcoin Adoption
14:05 - Bitcoin's Place in the Financial System
18:03 - Building a Bitcoin-Only Company
20:54 - Self-Custody and User Responsibility
25:07 - The Future of Banking and Bitcoin Integration
39:27 - Embracing Change in the Financial Landscape
48:18 - Cultural Differences in Investment Mindsets
01:00:06 - The Role of Regulation in Bitcoin Adoption
01:08:16 - Personal Growth Through the Bitcoin Journey
ℹ️ EPISODE SUMMARY
Bram Kanstein and Imo Bábics discuss Imo’s journey into Bitcoin—starting in 2017, getting wrecked, and slowly building the kind of conviction that lasts. He shares lessons from working at both Bitpanda and Relay, and how his perspective shifted from short-term trading to long-term saving. They explore the tension of growing a Bitcoin-only business in a crypto-driven world, why trust is everything in this space, and how banks are already—sometimes unknowingly—accelerating Bitcoin adoption. Imo also dives into the role of regulation in Europe and why clarity is critical for serious builders. This is a conversation about mindset, conviction, and what Bitcoin teaches you after the hype fades.
