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What's the Line Between Murder and Killing?
You said Jorge Ochoa was perhaps the brains of the Medellin cartel. He was a gentleman and I suppose he shipped, didn't tell me how many more times of cocaine than Pablo did. How do you make sense of the tension that a man could be a gentleman, can have integrity, but also be a murderer? Well, murder is a, is a stronger word than killing. Can we talk a lot about killing in the context of military conflict and context of war? So there's a line between murder and killing that you can draw.