Are there good places to look for reclaimed wood and barn wood that is being you know taken apart one by one or even if there's demolitions the idea of going and trying to take as many beams as possible and reuse it. Are people doing more of that and is that lumber accessible to people? Totally. I think that is a great idea but it's all systems it's all like how we live in an economic system so how can you from a process standpoint do it wildly, he says.

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