"It's natural to have that kind of soft animal of the belly. We'll call it that as a first start kind of experience," he says. "We're not speaking against that. There's nothing abnormal." He adds: 'I think where a lot of suffering comes in is when people react to that initial natural, inherent animal uneasiness and fear' In ten thousand years from now, humans would be walking around in my back yard,. They might be genetically engineered, vastly augmented and living in a hotter world, but they're on to be here'.

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