I interviewed Russell Moore on the podcast this week about his new book Losing Our Religion: An Altar Call for Evangelical America, which is out next Tuesday, July 25.

In his book, Moore refers to the "post-2016 era" as an "apocalypse."

Now, you hear that word, and you might think Zombies!

Both those reactions to the word "apocalypse" have to do with the end of the world.

Yet that's not how Moore is using the term. "Apocalypse literally means unveiling and revelation,” Moore told me.

“And I think that's what happened in the post 2015 era. A a lot of things were revealed," Moore said of the last eight years. "We could see patterns of behavior that were preexisting but weren't really all that clear.”

"What I'm trying to say to people is, 'Yes, we're in a place of disruption and of loss. That is always the way that God works in terms of creating something new," Moore said. "And so the primary thing is to say to people, 'Don't panic about the sense of homelessness that you feel. Don't panic about the bewilderment that you feel.' That actually can be a sign of grace."

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