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Still Processing by Genel Wortham
I also recommend in like in tandem with that still processing the New York Times so good podcast with Wesley Morris who's also a friend of Oprah Divicks and Genel Wortham. They did a whole episode on it I'm not sure what season it's in but it was quite profound they also talked about just like the the battle over like Glamis and how people get counted on like the charts. It was probably one of the most nuanced conversations I've heard about what it means to like have a list and a chart and an award attached to it.
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