The Intnet and the Internet in a Negative Way

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There's a kind of neo liberalism, in one sense, adjacent to tha kind of governments being hands off and that kind of regulatory liberalism. And i think it's important to emphasize this link between the design and the innered andin of a new liberal approach of like where you had the inferstructure andlea america privatized in the eighties. The success of sathe first silicon valley was largely through the decades prior subsidization of this work. I always give the example of the bluejays. Knon in my classes, cares, but li i lived in torono and still have that legacy of, like, being a jay's fan. But like yof

Paris Marx is joined by Fenwick McKelvey to discuss the massive outage at Rogers, why it’s challenging the narrative that more competition will fix Canada’s telecom sector, and the need for better regulation and even public ownership.

Fenwick McKelvey is the author of Internet Daemons: Digital Communications Possessed. He’s also an associate professor in the Department of Communication Studies at Concordia University and a director of Machine Agencies at the Milieu Institute. Follow Fenwick on Twitter at @mckelveyf.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.

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Fenwick spoke to CBC about the Rogers outage and previously spoke to Daniel Joseph about changing the way we think about media platforms in Canada.
Paris has previously argued for telecom nationalization in Canada and has written about the history of Canadian telecom.
After the outage, Canadian innovation minister François-Philippe Champagne forced telcos to come up with a new agreement on several key areas of emergency cooperation.
The Competition Bureau is objecting to a proposed merger between Rogers and Shaw.
Last year, the Rogers family was engaged in a protracted feud that affected management of the company.
ZeD was an “open-source television” series aired by Canada’s public broadcaster from 2002 to 2006.