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Sarah Bakewell with Isy Suttie

The Penguin Podcast

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Is the Universe a Tool?

I like the bit where you talk about Patrick, he watches multi-colored birds singing in their various modes. Do you also take pleasure in those smaller things like birds? I assume you do, but yes, definitely. It's not a tool, but it's as important. The more I spend time outside on a dark night, if I can possibly manage to do it, looking at the stars or reading,. I've been fascinated by the James Webb Space Telescope and the new observations that it's brought us.

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