I think the pandemic was one of the first times, at least in my life that I can remember where it really seemed like the government was impeding what people naturally wanted to do. So much, much safer than Kiev even is Lviv, which is the western part of the country. You have to kind of navigate through the darkness and then use your phone to shine and so on. And that's where, at least when he was there, there was a lot of really heated fighting happening.

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