Michele: I have had many friends who have been trapped in organizations like this. In org development world, you call that founder sindrome ye yeo. One of the things that felt sort of symptomatic of that kind of thing is that amanda chantal bacon moved to montecito. Why? What's that? Where's montesitoin california? Oh, mike, we're getting into it. Montecito is just outside of santa barbara. It is one of the wealthiest towns in the united states. Ogara lives there, and prince harry and meg and markl live there.