A quote from a student that i was teaching was kind of my guide post for thinking and having a kind of symaty for empathy. It helped me with empathy when i was listening to students talk about the computers that they believed would have souls in them. And once i accepted that, and i did that, they were thinking about a whole different kind of computer. I still am stuck, and i remain stuck. In his book, i tell a story about going to see bamby with marvenminsky,. He's arguing that bamby should never be shown to children, because it'll give children the idea that you need to be a living thing.