Indy Johar is the Executive Director of Dark Matter Labs, an organization dedicated to exploring the complexities of living systems and pioneering new frameworks for societal organization. 

Indy shares his insights into reimagining society and reshaping the rules and structures we live by, inviting us to consider alternative pathways that prioritize equity, resilience, and environmental harmony. Throughout our conversation, Indy challenges conventional approaches, examining how we might collectively design a future that moves beyond outdated paradigms and short-term thinking.

This discussion serves as both a deep reflection and a call to action, encouraging us to look beyond daily routines and mainstream narratives. 

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The course is 3 months full-time or 9 months part-time across 4 global timezones, and graduates consistently land jobs at top studios.

To find out more, visit ShillingtonEducation.com

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Podcast music and production: James Greenfield