The Real Challenge of Your Life Five in the Morning

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This episode of the you are not so smart podcast is hosted by David MacRanny and features music from banjo pot clips. For links to everything that we talked about in this episode go to you are notSoSmartCalm.com Slash you are not So Smart pitching in at any amount gets you the show add free The higher amounts get your posters t-shirts sign books and other stuff Also vote for the show in the webby awards. All right back in two weeks the fresh new episode You will be available on Stitcher's sound cloud iTunes omni Spotify or you are notsosmartcalp.

In this episode we sit down with Megan Phelps-Roper, the author of Unfollow, a memoir of her time in Westboro Baptist Church, and an exploration what it took to convince her to leave. I interviewed Megan for my upcoming book, How Minds Change, and in this interview you will learn all about assimilation and accommodation, cult deprogrammers, and the steps Megan says one must take if they want to change someone's mind.

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