“In teaching us to appreciate rather than accumulate – to seek awe rather than outcomes – travel can be an ongoing exercise in gratitude.” – Rolf Potts

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf remixes his interview from the All the Hacks podcast, with Chris Hutchins. They discuss the concept of “Time Wealth,” how it can be actualized through travel, and how it can dovetail with your family and life goals (2:00); what kinds of travel-oriented experiences and attitudes and rituals can help you frame and identify your values and life-goals (10:30); how kids can be a window into new places as a traveler, and why slowing down and "seeing less" helps you experience more on the road (27:00); the limitations of planning your travels around a "Bucket List," and the merits of taking a travel attitude to your home environment (35:30); how to pack when traveling light, and how to use technology wisely on the road (45:30).

Chris Hutchins (Instagram: @chrishutchins) is an avid optimizer and host of a top-ranked podcast, where he shares his quest to upgrade his life without having to spend a fortune.

Notable Links:

The Vagabond's Way, by Rolf Potts (books)
Kevin Kelly (editor and futurist)
Lyft (ride-hailing service)
Die With Zero, by Bill Perkins (book)
Carrefour (French convenience store)
Zamalek (area of Cairo, Egypt)
An Egyptian straight-razor shave in 21 easy steps (video)
Jackfruit (food)
Raclette (Swiss dish)
Père Lachaise (cemetery in Paris)
Frank Alamo (French singer)
Paris Writing Workshops (Rolf's writing classes)
Canton (town in Mississippi)
Lindsborg, Kansas ("Little Sweden")
Zacatecas (state in Mexico)
No Baggage Challenge (Rolf's 2010 no-luggage trip)
AirTreks (round-the-world and multi-stop flight planner)
Flâneur (urban wanderer)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

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