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Check out this post for the discussion that is the basis of our conversation on this week’s episode co-hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), the producer of CISO Series, and Steve Zalewski. Joining me is our guest, Ron Gula, president and co-founder, Gula Tech Adventures.

In this episode:

• Why is it so darn expensive to get any training on the defender side?

• Why is there a mountain of free education for red teaming?

• Shouldn’t blue team training should be free or less expensive as well?

• Is this the firewall that's preventing us from having all those cyber experts we so desperately need?

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