I think we need people becoming aware and waking up and acting as champions for other species and ecosystems. And the third thing is to live your life more holistically with yourself and with others merging the spiritual intellectual, emotional and physical aspects of our lives. This podcast will never be a self help, you know, meditation, fitness guide, because I'm on these journeys myself. But I do think living more holistically more openly and aware of the we versus the me wider picture are two good steps.

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