The Tyranny of the Template

"There's a thing that I call the tyranny of the template. And then you start trying to just refill that template over and over again," he says. "I have to remind myself of it because when you get into a groove with a template, you're like, this is great, you know, and then after a while when you've kind of learned that thing, it becomes boring." He also talks about how his relationship with the industry has changed in recent years.

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