Debbie Melman: I want to close the show today with a quote of yours that I think everyone in the world should hear. Sean Hader: The day when you start having no self doubt, you're fucked. You should always be pushing yourself to be better than you are to have people challenge your choices. That's what makes great work. This is the 18th year we've been podcasting Design Matters and I'd like to thank you for listening. Remember, we can talk about making a difference where we can do both.