Debating the Inevitability of Transfer in Zionism

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The chapter delves into a debate on whether the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine would involve mass expulsion or population transfer, examining historical contexts and differing perspectives. It explores the evolution of beliefs within early Zionism, discussing the challenges faced amidst Arab resistance and territorial concerns. The conversation highlights the strategic use of historical statements attributed to Arabs and debates the centrality of expulsion in the ideology of Zionism up to 1948.

Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris are historians. Mouin Rabbani is a Middle East analyst. Steven Bonnell (aka Destiny) is a political livestreamer. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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(00:00) – Introduction
(12:11) – 1948
(1:10:43) – Partition
(2:15:16) – October 7
(3:09:27) – Gaza
(3:36:02) – Peace
(4:40:47) – Hope for the future