When all the banks were reporting their first quarter result, leman brothers had a gain in their equity book when everybody else had losses. They ended up taking a billion dollar ride up in a private equity position at a time when really nothing positive was happening in the private equity markets. And then i think the market kind of started to catch on that leman had some problems, and they were starting to get a little more scrutiny from the analyst community. So between all those issues, we used that to call the c f o of lyman brothers and go through a list of questions. And as we went through the list, otil there were 13 or 14 things where they were unable to answer