Introduction

Jocelyn K. Glai: My guest today is Lisa Oliveira, who I discovered through her writing on Substack. She authors a very beautiful newsletter called Human Stuff that feels like it shares some DNA strands with this podcast. We talked about what it's like to step out from behind the scenes and to claim your voice and your whole humanness. And we also discussed how easy it is to slip into patterns of self-extraction where we find ourselves overgiving and holding space for others to the point of depletion.