How to Talk to a Single Pastor

LZ: A lot of pastors might feel some degree of shame that they struggle with discouragement depression, like it'll undermine their ministry if they tell the church. LZ: The more we're honest with each other about what we find hard and following Jesus, the more help we can be to each other. "I think I think people would encourage that people are struggling with being encouraged," he says. 'It just seems like there's so many upsides to it'