I love this vision. And it strikes me hearing you talk about this, that there are a few places in the education employment landscape that are close to that guaranteed model that you mentioned. So we've talked about top tier university degrees. If you finish them are probably as close as you can get to a credential that will virtually guarantee some kind of employment. Now, most people don't work in the thing they majored in. They don't use the skill. They're just a recent report from Lumina Foundation about people not using the skills that they learn in university at their jobs. But the, there is a guaranteed pathway there. If you go to Harvard or Oxford, you're going, you're pretty much guaranteed to get an information aged job. You have choices. The other that has risen in the last few years, I believe, is technical skills like Cisco, AWS, you know, security certifications. There's been a very co-cloud cloud computing and there's been a very consistent ecosystem of these very specific relatively modern tech skills where because there isn't traditional credentialing, a whole ecosystem is growing around that. And I think what you've been doing at Accredible is moving that sort of logic into many different areas. You mentioned the road layers association. That's an area that maybe didn't have that kind of guaranteed pathway, that very clear. If I get this degree or if I get this certificate, if I get this training, I will have a job and I know I can get a job in this field making this much money and it'll be satisfying in these exact ways. I'd love to hear you just talk about that thought. Like, is this anywhere near the way you think about it? Or are you, how do you think about that whole guaranteed pathway? Using people at an early age pick educational options that really will drive them directly towards the goal they want.

Yeah, I would even guarantee you of course it's such a watertight word. Of course. I would even settle for like most of the time I could expect. Even though just an order of magnitude better than I think a lot of

people might have. 100%.

Right. And like you're saying, yeah, look, let's say you go to Harvard. You don't need to worry about this. This is almost certainly not a problem. But most people don't. I'm actually not of the opinion that so the reason that the Harvard degree has that sort of weight behind it and all the other great is because of pedigree. So what they've done is like the reputation has been earned slowly and diligently over the over the centuries by consistent, persistent, good outcomes. Right. So there's a great way to that. And I think that is valuable. And I think that we shouldn't ever throw that away. I think that there's a place for that. And it's important. It just should not be the only way. Right. And in theory, it should be, I believe we should have a true meritocracy when it comes to skills. It should be possible for someone who went to Harvard who has skills x, y, z, let's say being a lawyer and somebody who didn't go to university at all but has the same skills. Right. They should be equivalently valuable. It would just be easy for you to get those skills in Harvard probably. It doesn't matter if it was easy or not. What matters is did you get the skills, right? And that I think is what it's out. So for me, it's okay. Can we, if you have the skills, if you have the credibility, can you communicate that? And no false nexus, no false positives. That's the guarantee. I think we should focus on. And then I think the rest will over time evolve with the market. And then the other side of this that I think is worth pointing out as well is its proliferation, its alternative, its supplementary credentials. A lot of them are coming out of these tech companies. It's not always tech companies as well though, there are others. And they also kind of need to figure out how to get their foothold and their brand out there and people knowing about, oh, did you know there's this option that you could go and study? So one example that actually comes to mind is there's this really great pair of YouTubers, their brothers called John and Hank Green. Have you heard of them, Alex? Of

course.