Elixir

I was going to ask, i saw you recently did an interview that really focus on developer experience. I'm curious, from the standpoint of an infrastructure team, where does this attention on developer xperience kind of come into play? There's a couple of diferent ways to think about d x, right? And i think thereis both. When yo large roll outs of new systems, the major way these things fail is that the lack of attention to actually how users will use them.