When I did the online version, what we ultimately came back to with Canvas of the customized portfolio, I called it Nefolio. And I was trying to get John Neff, who many listeners or viewers won't even know who he is. Who is the legendary value manager and a wonderful gentleman. He said, you're going to say I'm a closet quant. Here's what I love, Cliff: He just sat there and he got this wonderful smile on his face.

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