Tales of lyria is an example where, you know, they also have their own native token as well. They have something else called elm and then something else that's called metals. And so there is a continued sort of interplay where magic plays a roll. We've actually also seen this kind of cross over where if you own an en ef t, you can use that to achieve some sort of boost to your character on top of other items. So it's really not just with kind of treasure alone. It's also with all the other games. My dream is to create this like almost super smashd brothers experience," he says.

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