Eating meat is such a big part of my energy levels and happiness and productivity that I just, uh, I couldn't do it. So what I did change was, so first of all, I'm not convinced that eating beef is bad for the world. And if I eat pork or chicken, I try to buy, um, from places that have ethical standards. If you are a typical American and you go vegan, you're saving, you're sparing 300 animals from death. This is the animals you eat and all the bycatch and the calculation is 300. You eat about 30 animals, incidentally, but you cause the death of 300. That's a really solid number there.

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