How Did You Come to Have This Reputation?

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Karpov: I was shielded from the never ending attacks and attempts to actually throw me away. In nineten 84, i played my first match with Was karpo and then atch. That was the longest match in the history of chess, or any other sport, that took more than five months. There's nothing else but him basically securing his way to the top by playing chess. Karpov kept telling this story, saying, oh, the garry had support. Yes, it was like a shield. You now, in vidagaves me ote shield.

Garry Kasparov, the former World Chess Champion, is the founder of the Renew Democracy Institute and chairperson of the Human Rights Foundation. He is a member of the Persuasion's Board of Advisors.

In this week’s conversation, Garry Kasparov and Yascha Mounk discuss how he came to oppose the Soviet regime, why he quickly recognized the dangers posed by Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump, and what to make of illiberal tendencies on the left.

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