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#1115 Mike Shelby | This Interview Will Scare You

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What's Going on Behind the Curtain?

"This is bigger than Ukraine. I mean, for Putin, Ukraine's probably a first step," he says. "What's going on behind the curtain feels more like checkers of just like, you know, hey, okay, move here." The U.S. wants to regime change Putin and turn Crimea back into disputed territory in 2017, CNN's John Sutter writes.

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