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Putin's War and International Law

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What's the Point of Connection, Rhine?

philip: Tell us about the genesis of crimes against human and war crimes of jeniside. And at nurenberg, you've written about their fascinating connection to ukrane. And give us an introduction of how america, including justice robert jackson, may have influenced how these crimes became part of international law.Philip: It's important know that our initiatives really are detached. We have not been working together. This is one of these examples where different people in different parts of the world go off and do their own thing, and then there is a point of connection.

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Speaker 3
Thank you so much for that, philip. You've both begun by focusing on the crime of aggression, but you mention several other crimes, including crimes against humanity and war crimes and genecide. When president byden called in and reaffirmed his statement of putin as a war criminal, he invoked the photographs at bucca of civilians with their hands tied behind their backs before being executed. Tell us about the genesis of crimes against human and war crimes of jeniside. And at nurenberg, you've written about their fascinating connection to ukrane. And give us an introduction of how america, including justice robert jackson, may have influenced how these crimes became part of international law.
Speaker 1
Sure, just to respond. O, it's really interesting and lovely to hear rhyan. We don't actlly know each other so well. And for your listeners, i think it's important know that our initiatives really are detached. We have not been working together. This is one of these examples where different people in different parts of the world go off and do their own thing, and then there is a point of connection. And i read with great interest and actly, i have to say, with much appreciation, the draft indictment, precisely because it really does concentrate the mind. There's nothing beats a piece of paper in black and white, which allows you to say, ok, yes, what about this, and what about that? And particularly the interesting point that rhine concluded with on the question of who actually won my target, i think it's all of the folks that he identified, but id ont one other group, in terms of sewing an a bit of mischievous concern in the minds of others, the finances oligarchs, who's actually supporting this? We've had these extraordinary images at one of the rounds of the so called peace negotiations, of roman bromovitch, the owner of chelsea football club, turning up, apparently as a member of the russian team. An in what circumstances would one of those characters actually find themselves in the frame for complicity or assistance, or some other form of contribution to the direction of these wars? Who's paying for this war? A these ar kinds of questions that some future prosecutor might in due course, have to think about, and that ryan and his colleague's draft makes us think about. So to go back to 19 forty five, it's an interesting moment, and it's a very american driven moment. You mentioned robert jackson. He plays an absolutely crucial role.

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