I love that quotein vesting in people that are optimistic pragmatists. That's kind of the sweet spot to get into, where obviously some one can see something that's not yet here and be able to build it out. And i'm curious, from those experiences, have you drawn any parallels, like, what helps somebody? Ecause i know a lot of people who are very optimistic. I don't know of many people that are able to knit those two things together.

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