With Klaviyo, Tinned Fish Phenom Fish Wife delivers real-time, personalized experiences that keeps their customers hooked. They've grown 70 times revenue in just four years with Klaviyo. Now that's scale. Visit klaviyo.com to learn how brands like Fishwife build smarter digital relationships with Klaviyo. Episode 329. 329 is the area code belonging to the Hudson Valley region of New York. In 1929, the Museum of Modern Art, MoMA, opened in New York City. True story. I posed nude for my art class. Problem was, they didn't ask me. Go, go, go! Welcome to the 329th episode of the Prop G Pod. The Doug's on vacation. That's right. I'm in a field running. So in place of our regular scheduled programming, we're sharing a conversation with Daniel Pink, the author of various bestselling books, including The Power of Regret and When, as well as the number one New York Times bestseller, Drive and To Sell is Human. We discussed with Daniel Regret, Human Motivation, and his Washington Post column, Why Not? He's a great storyteller, interesting concepts. It's like if Ted exploded or if Ted was personified, I think it'd be Daniel Pink. Anyways, with that, here's our conversation with Daniel Pink. You wrote a book about regret, the power of regret. You said that the advice you give is to stay positive, look ahead, and never dwell on the past, which is harmful. Why?

Because we have completely misunderstood this emotion of regret. We've been told, as you mentioned, that we should be positive all the time, never be negative. We should look forward, not back. And that's bad advice. It goes against the science. What the science tells us is that if we don't ignore our regrets and don't wallow in our regrets, but confront them, think about them, look them in the eye, it's a transformative emotion. It helps us in a variety of ways. Well,

that makes sense.