Heavy White by Jonathan Goldstein on the Yimlet Network

One Walker wrote an article called in 2019, we need to learn how to break a perpetually tied game. Heavy White by Jonathan Goldstein finds someone in his life who has sort of some sort of like trauma or just a thing happened in their past that they never really resolved. And he actually digs into it and interviews people in a way that often makes me cry and is hilarious. We'll maybe do some more on future shows because I listened to a lot of podcasts but that's our our massive show.