I think most parents today, I'll say most grandparents look at their children raising their grandchildren and say, I'm so glad I'm not a parent today. That's part of what I'm saying. Maybe we've made some progress on it. But there's a way in which how to be a good person is always going to be relative to your circumstances. And that's why it's just really hard to say, well, am I doing a better job being a good person in the world that I'm in than Socrates was?

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