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"We were working within science fiction, to me, there was this a creative process of figuring out what's the coolest interstellar science fiction story that we could tell," he says. "It wasn't until probably late 15 that it occurred to me that if you just drop people into that story and you haven't got them on the hook yet then it's really going to fall flat for a lot of people." He adds: "There's nothing to get a grip on... We need something that just like, reaches out and pulls you into a universe and breaks your heart and then sends you flying"
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