Wen: I think many people, i certainly thought youassumed that this, the business of denial, starts with cigarettes in the 19 fifties. But it's much older than that, isn't it? This radium led as bestosyi think you you see this injection of incredible strategy in this with the cigarette manufactures mid century, in the twentieth century. Wen: And at the link between the tactics invented by they big tobacco, by the cigarette lobby, in the fifties, into the same tactics being employed by the anti environmental lobbyinn the seventies and eighties, it's absolute and direct.

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