The Aspen Commission

There is an infrastructure that is largely on the left, he will say. The right doesn't have anything similar in terms of kind of the imprimatur of these institutions like Aspen commissions and stuff. I think it's there is elite disinformation and populist disinformation. And the elite disinformation is often in the name of fighting disinformation. It can be maddening but at the same time, one has to sort of recognize that there can be real world consequences.