If you're not satisfied with this, and who would really be a mature person? I want the ultimate truth. I want peace. I want fulfilment. If all those things are lower, they're just perpetuate the cycle of birth and death. Until we come to that point, until we are grown up in spiritual life, we'll continue to be babies in spiritual life. Only infinity can satisfy us. We are made of god's stuff. Only god can fill a god shaped hole in our lives. And so you're right, but still a rat. So what lies beyond this? What is motian spiritual liberation?"