How to Navigate Coalitions to Stop a Prison Being Built in California

"I attended an abolition of feminism's workshop a few weeks ago and Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Craig Gilmore both spoke right at the end," she says. "Ruthie kind of was talking about the fact that you you know you make the arguments that you have to make in that moment to win that particular thing." She then talks about how they then built an abolition geography that meant no more prisons in California could be built, which took decades for her to achieve. 'It's not as Luke said about whether or not you get that right line in that one interview in that moment it's what happens afterwards like what how does this ricochet along for years for decades'