"There's no gray area if you he's either a piece of shit or a great dude. Is that what you're saying? Oh no, I don't think he's either." "I guess there is one scenario I could probably fathom where he actually is just a misunderstood guy who just wants to do good, but I'm having a really hard time seeing it," she says. G chat GBT can't go into 2023 so I couldn't tell you today. It wasn't in 2021. Gotcha. Okay. So super interesting podcast. Then he got into lecture fraud and he's a he's a big trumper. Um, that's where it just all came